steve, these gun lobbyists are fairly aggressive. they dragged the president's children into the debate with that scurrilous advert but heckling the father of a child who was lost? can you explain that to me? >> if you look at the outpouring of grief for these families, one thing that's separated the aftermath of newtown is this story has stayed in the news. it stayed in the news a lot longer than other shootings and it's kept gun control in the news a lot longer which has created this political opening. when you look at a moment like that, which obviously it's indefen indefensible for somebody to show up at a hearing and treat a man like that, but i think it adds to the momentum. it adds to the outrage and it adds to the case for action to be taken here. >> julian, you heard that father. wayne lapierre of the nra will be going to the white house, sorry, to the senate judiciary committee this week. what do you think of the reaction of these lobbyists to a father whose child has been murdered? >> well, leaving aside the fact that the